= Сообщение: 532 из 12519 ======================================= ENET.SYSOP = От : Björn Felten 2:203/2 29 Jan 14 16:21:44 Кому : alexander koryagin 29 Jan 14 16:21:44 Тема : Crosspost FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:203/2+52e91c84 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:5020/2140.2+482fecc0 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP437 ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:292/854+a4061009 ============================================================================== ak> Aha, beneficial -- I know that millions of people who left their ak> "happy" countries in hope to earn some money in Europe. In the UK you ak> cannot spit without hitting a Pole plumber or another Eastern Europe ak> gastarbeiter. But their own countries don't prosper at all. They don't ak> build plants, they have no young people who are eager to build their own ak> country. The great shipyard in Gdansk (the cradle of fighting with ak> Communism in Poland) is a bankrupt, and it kicked its workers out.
ak> The modern capitalist world is like a forest. It is natural that high ak> trees don't allow small trees to thrive. Small, young trees are doomed ak> to be cachectic stalks. They have no chances to build a strong bodies ak> capable to compete with such "trees" like Germany, France, the UK, the ak> US, Japan. The only chance for them is to exist withing a union where ak> the law of survival is not similar to the Jungle law. And it is not a ak> union of capitalist countries. Rich capitalist countries don't want new ak> business rivals -- they just need markets for their industry and cheap ak> labor force.
ak> I have already said above why the EU capital needs the Ukraine -- ak> only as a market and cheap labor force. If the Ukraine tries to invade ak> the European market with its goods, for instance steel, food, it will ak> instantly realize that it is not able to do it. Russia also can sell a ak> lot of steel, aluminum, copper etc, but the European market preserves ak> itself and doesn't allow such things happen.
ak> It can easily be predicted that the Maidan leaders will refuse from ak> high posts. They are able only to shout and have no real program to do.
ak> We will see when they recover. As for now, I see in these countries ak> turmoil and people's outrage. Germany is called as an economical ak> aggressor, and Angela Merkel is drawn in the Spain and Greece newspapers ak> with Hitler's mustache. ;-)
ak> Russia and the Ukraine have always been depended on each other. They ak> have been mutually complementary. Russia's production is needed in ak> Ukraine; the Ukraine has big markets in Russia for its production. There ak> is no such a big market for the Ukraine in the EU. All market places in ak> Europe are already divided and occupied.
ak> For instance, Czechoslovakia had solved the problem quickly and it ak> was divided peacefully, in a civilized way.
ak> I would not be in a hurry to tell who will be the looser. As for ak> invasion -- if they split by their own will they will not have ground ak> for civil war.
ak> In those countries the USSR defended Communism. In Ukraine Russia has ak> nothing to defend. All relations are built on money.
WOW!
I don't think I've ever before have read so much Food for Thoughts in either Fidonet nor on the Web.
I moved this from the FIDONEWS echo, because I suspect most participants there don't give a shit about the European situation. Hopefully, the interest is much higher here...
Needless to say, I agree with every word Alexander is writing above (in a comment to Ward). Please everyone here, scroll back to the top of this message and read Alexander's message carefully. It's so spot on, I'd vote for him as POTEP (President Of The European Parliament) without hesitation.
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