= Сообщение: 704 из 12527 ======================================= ENET.SYSOP = От : BjЎrn Felten 2:203/2 04 Mar 14 12:11:58 Кому : Pavel Gulchouck 04 Mar 14 12:11:58 Тема : Ukraine FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:203/2+5315b4f6 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:463/68+5314b6a3 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: UTF-8 ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:292/854.1+a1062392 ============================================================================== PG> You're using wrong information sources.
So, what is the "right" source, then?
I've tried to listen to both sides, including the Russian side. Usually the truth can be found somewhere in between.
PG> Me and all my Kiev friends supports new government.
That doesn't make it legal. And the people in eastern and south Ukraine obviously does *not* support or even accept it.
For instance, according to your constitution there's only three ways to replace your president: 1) his own death, 2) by his own request or 3) by impeachment. Which of the three was used?
PG> We have some PG> discrepancy in personalities but it's not significant.
You mean that it's not significant that the present government consists mainly of filthy rich oligarchs who have stolen milliards of dollars worth from the Ukrainian people? And now not only have economic power, but also political.
PG> We do not need russian defence, did not ask PG> about it and will fight in case of invasion.
So what did the treaty, when you gave up all your nuclear weapons to Russia 20 years ago say, then?
BF>> have been for many years -- by treaty with the old, legitimate BF>> Ukraine government.
PG> This is not true.
So, tell us the truth then. Do you or do you not have a massive Russian military presence since many years ago? Is the number 26.000 troops (admittedly reported by Russian media) totally wrong, if so, what are the correct numbers.
PG> Russia violates the treaty. It's not allowed to move russian military PG> technics on Crimea outside Sebastopol, but there are armored PG> troop-carriers, helicopters and troops in many Crimea cities and towns. PG> Without distinctive marks but it's definitely russians.
But they were already there, and was *not* brought in from Russia, no? So the invasion was indeed only troop transport from one part of Crimea to other parts?
The whole "Russia invades Ukraine" is firstly limited to the autonomous republic of Crimea, and no troops or military hardware was moved from *Russia* into Ukraine or specifically Crimea?
PG> Do you mean that american invasion to Iraq makes russian invasion to PG> Ukraine rightful?
Of course not. That's just a swipe at Kelly's well documented hypocrisy.
PG> You say "just to protect their own interests" by war as something normal PG> and usual.
Lets' not go down that path. I really want to know more about the situation, no need for personal insults, Pavel.
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