= Сообщение: 4041 из 12549 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Robert Bashe 2:2448/44 12 Jul 16 09:39:08 Кому : Gerrit Kuehn 12 Jul 16 09:39:08 Тема : Brexit FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:2448/44+5784a0b2 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:240/12+576db52c = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP866 ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:240/12+576db532 ============================================================================== Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Robert Bashe on Monday July 11 2016 at 17:17:
RB>> In Switzerland, the disagreement can force a change in legislation, RB>> or even prevent it. The question is not whether disagreement is RB>> possible, but whether it has any effect.
GK> Your disagreement would have no effect in Switzerland, either. A GK> disagreement of a *majority of the voters* makes a difference (both in GK> Switzerland and in Germany).
No, that's not true in Switzerland. There, certain number of people can force a referendum on a specific question. Only _then_ must a majority agree or disagree. But no majority is required to force a referendum.
GK>>> Yeah, it saved us from the terror of the first republic (some 40000 GK>>> executions by "legal" decision of the new government alone), a civil GK>>> war, a counter revolution or two, a couple of international wars, GK>>> and another crazy dictator.
RB>> And gave us the Kaiser and Hitler.
GK> As I said: another crazy dictator. In France is was Napoleon.
Slght difference. Where's Hitler's Tomb in Germany? And as far as "crazy" with regard to Napoleon is concerned, how about the Napoleanic code and the metric system we use even today? There are good reasons why Napoleon's tomb exists in Paris.
GK> I cannot see a "revolution" per se being something desirable.
Depends on the pre-revolutionary circumstances.
GK> Why did you pick the French one as an example?
Because it changed the shape of Europe.
GK> Why not the Glorious Revolution in England? Or the October Revolution GK> in Russia? Or the Khmer Rouge?
None, with the possible exception of the October revolution, had as much effect on such a large number of people.
The French revolution was to Europe what the Amnerican revolution was to the new world.
