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От   : Robert Bashe                     2:2448/44          15 Jul 16 14:30:16
Кому : Gerrit Kuehn                                        15 Jul 16 14:30:16
Тема : Brexit
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Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Robert Bashe on Thursday July 14 2016 at 19:00:

RB>>>>>> No, that's not true in Switzerland. There, certain number of
RB>>>>>> people can force a referendum on a specific question.

GK>>>>> Same here in Germany.

RB>>>> Since when? Has the "basic law" been changed in the last 24 hours?

GK>>> No, this is part of our legistation since the 1990ies.

GK>>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksentscheid
GK>>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BБrgerentscheid

RB>> _Local_ referendums have always been possible, and in Bavaria state
RB>> referendums as well.

GK> State referendums are possible in all states since the 1990ies.

You're backing up. Do you realize that? The original question was one of NATIONAL referendums. Now you're pulling back and fixing on state referendums, which have only existed in Bavaria, whether they are legal elsewhere or not.

That's NOT the same as the NATIONAL referndums in Switzerland, whether you accept that or not.

RB>> But there is NO! provision for national referendums in Germany. If
RB>> that had been the case, there would already have been several
RB>> widely-publicized attempts over the last years (Greece, migrants).

GK> Oh, great. Like the one in UK lately?

No, like the one that was NOT called in Germany because the "basic law" does not allow it and the parties are all scared of losing their privileges if the "common man" has a say in government.

Cheers, Bob

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