= Сообщение: 4054 из 12549 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Robert Bashe 2:2448/44 16 Jul 16 07:23:42 Кому : Gerrit Kuehn 16 Jul 16 07:23:42 Тема : Brexit FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:2448/44+5789c5f0 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:240/12+574b4025 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP866 ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:240/12+574b402b ============================================================================== Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Robert Bashe on Friday July 15 2016 at 17:09:
RB>>>>>>>> No, that's not true in Switzerland. There, certain number of RB>>>>>>>> people can force a referendum on a specific question.
GK>>> State referendums are possible in all states since the 1990ies.
RB>> You're backing up. Do you realize that? The original question was one RB>> of NATIONAL referendums.
GK> You're making up things you maybe did think but not write. See above: GK> you wrote about an (arbitrary) "referendum on a specific question". GK> You did not say "national referendum on any question".
And you're indulging in wishful thinking.
RB>> Now you're pulling back and fixing on state referendums, which have RB>> only existed in Bavaria, whether they are legal elsewhere or not.
GK> They exist in every state. Please get your facts straight and read at GK> least the wikipedia articles I cited.
RB>> That's NOT the same as the NATIONAL referndums in Switzerland, RB>> whether you accept that or not.
GK> You put in the "national" tag afterwards.
Wishful thinking.
RB>> No, like the one that was NOT called in Germany because the "basic RB>> law" does not allow it and the parties are all scared of losing their RB>> privileges if the "common man" has a say in government.
GK> Again: please get your facts straight.
Again: decide what you want to say _before_ you say it.
GK> I already wrote that there have been numerous attempts to change this. GK> The latest (by SPD and CSU in 2013) was blocked by the CDU (and only GK> by them). Moreover, I explained why I think (in contrast to what I GK> would have said about this 20 years ago) that this is not something we GK> need now.
Of course not - the PEOPLE might decide differently than our leaders. And THAT, naturally, is a thing of impossibility in Germany. Therefore, it must be forbidden. And the "sheeple" (a German term for people who follow the "leaders" like sheep) naturally agree.
