= Сообщение: 4948 из 12549 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Robert Bashe 2:2448/44 12 May 17 10:38:14 Кому : Ward Dossche 12 May 17 10:38:14 Тема : French election FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:2448/44+591576d3 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:292/854+a4040421 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP866 ================================== ============================================================================== Ward Dossche wrote to Robert Bashe on Thursday May 11 2017 at 11:14:
WD>> The "local authorities" were the "Ottoman occupiers", not the Greeks.
RB>> That's like saying the "local authorities" in anciant times were the RB>> Roman "occupiers" of Gaul, not the French.
RB>> Greece was part of the Ottoman Empire at the time.
WD> It was a military occupied territory, the Greeks never accepted it and WD> when they had the opportunity and (finally) support, overthrew the WD> oppressor.
Like the Gauls, who later became the French. But what came later had no effect on the situation at the time.
WD> Occupied Netherlands, Belgium and France were never part of the "Third WD> Reich" ... it's the same.
No it's not. They were never annexed. Greece was part of the Ottoman Empire.
WD> You were wrong on the date of the explosion, on the date of the Greek WD> Revolutionary war and on the reason why the artworks were stolen.
I stated no dates. And I dispute your presumption regarding the transportation of the Elgin Marbles to the UK. As already mentioned, the local authorities agreed to this at the time it occurred - it would have been easy enough to prevent it, given the bulk and weight of the marbles. But permission was given.
WD>>> How many times have you been to Greece to visually see for yourself WD>>> what the condition is of several sites?
RB>> Around 4-5 times in earlier years. How about you?
WD> 10-12 I guess. Always liked the country. Worked with Elliniki Etairi WD> in Athens which was remarkable ... put a shovel in the ground and it's WD> an excavation ... anywhere.
I liked the country, too, even when I visited it during the time it was ruled by the military. I can still remember the coins at that time, with a standing soldier on the obverse.
WD>>> My source is my friend professor Michael Scoullos from the WD>>> university of Athens who guided me around on several occasions.
RB>> And is "naturally" neutral on the subject, which we should now drop, RB>> as we're not going to solve anything. Think what you like, and I'll RB>> do the same.
WD> Michael is absolutely neutral, he didn't even mention the Elgin WD> Marbles.
So there we have it.
WD> But he took me to the phosphate mines outside Athens where slaves were WD> put in a tunnel in a gigantic pit. They were worked to death and then WD> replaced by another slave. It gave a complete different perspective on WD> Hellenic culture.
Were you really surprised? The Romans had more slaves then Roman citizens, and they tried to imitate the Greeks where they could. Slavery has only become a no-no in fairly modern times, but was quite normal in the ancient world.
