= Сообщение: 6836 из 12550 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Robert Bashe 2:2448/44 17 Jun 18 10:51:00 Кому : Michiel van der Vlist 17 Jun 18 10:51:00 Тема : Fiber connection to every household FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:2448/44+5b262452 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:280/5555.1+5b252fea = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP866 ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:203/2+5b27aaa0 ============================================================================== Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Robert Bashe on Saturday June 16 2018 at 17:31:
MV>>> I can see why YOU would not want to invest that much, always wanting MV>>> everything for free, but if I could have twice the service for half MV>>> the monthly fee, I would seriously consider such an investment.
RB>> With an EUR 2000 charge up front? It takes a long time to amortize RB>> that, even if the monthly rate is lower than before.
MV> Why not? The amount as such is no show stopper. As long as I get a MV> good return on investment the upper limit is what I have available to MV> invest. What do I get when I leave it in the bank?
It really takes my breath away when I see or hear such attitudes nowadays. I'm one of the oldies who still think in DM, and for me, a lot of the prices nowadays are absolutely sky-high, as if practically everyone earned EUR 100,000 annually. In the "good old days", people were overjoyed to earn half that in DM. I only managed that for a few years as translator, but was never paid that much as a Ph.D. chemist.
MV> Presently I pay about EUR 50 a month for internet + TV + telephone. MV> That's EUR 6000 in 10 years. If I can reduce that by half, EUR 2000 MV> now is agood investment even if that would be all I get. But as BjФrn MV> has pointed out, it is an investement in the future. I get much more MV> than just an EUR 1000 reduction on my comm cost for the next ten MV> years...
RB>> Aside from which, fiber is only available in larger cities RB>> (Frankfurt, Cologne, Berlin, Munich etc) in Germany anyway.
MV> Maybe if you can find 50 neighbours also willing to invest, like in MV> BjФrn's situation, fibre could be made available where it is not MV> available now..
Even if I were willing to pay such astronomical amounts, I sincerely doubt it. Only people who place enormous value on fast-fast-fast communications (and those are not really that common in Germany) might be interested in such things. Maybe the situation is different in the center of Frankfurt, Munich or Berlin, but certainly not in piddling little Datteln.
RB>> And then there's the Telekom and the "last mile" to contend with. RB>> Maybe you don't have thise in NL, but we in Germany do.
MV> The last mile monopoly is history by ate least a decade. TTBOMK in all MV> of thhe EU.
You may think so, but the connections exist in Germany, and have done so for the past 50 years or so. As for the EU, I'd just like to see them attempt to dictate German-internal conditions (to a partly-owned government company) that would involve billions of Euros investment. No way would that go without a fight that would threaten the very fiber of the EU.
MV>>> My guess is that I won't be the only one in this neighbourhood...
Really? I didn't notice many luxury mansions in your neighberhood when I visited.
RB>> You wouldn't be, but the majority here would gasp once and forget the RB>> affair.
MV> Have you asked your neighbours?
Ah, Michiel... you have a great imagination, but real life looks differently. How many of _your_ neighbors are willing to pay EUR 2,000 plus monthly fees for the kind of connections Bjorne refers to? Are the Dutch so much richer than the Germans?
