= Сообщение: 1196 из 12549 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Kees van Eeten 2:280/5003.4 15 Oct 14 15:29:46 Кому : Alexey Vissarionov 15 Oct 14 15:29:46 Тема : FTSC-5001 question FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:280/5003.4+543e7b14 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:5020/545+543e24ac = Кодировка сообщения определена как: LATIN-1 ================================ ==============================================================================
*** Answering a msg posted in area FTSC_PUBLIC (Fidonet Technical Standards).
Hello Alexey!
15 Oct 14 11:02, you wrote to me:
AV> Really? AV> Wasn't the INT 0x27 instruction processed by ibmdos.com|msdos.sys? :-) AV> Well, that was a cooperative multitasking... but that was exactly it.
I have the information on my bookshelf, but I never developed software at that level, so I will take your word for it.
KE>>>>>> The only concept of pipes in MSdos was the use of "|". It was KE>>>>>> implemented by use of intermediate files. AV>>>>> DOS is dead for over 10 years. KE>>>> The fossil interface is at least 25 years old, and apparently the KE>>>> software people like to use out of habit or whatever, is as old. AV>>> Accessing serial ports as /dev/cua0 is much older. KE>> You are referring to Unix, where everything is a file. At the time KE>> Unix was not seen as what it is now. People were used to what IBM, KE>> Digital, Data General and others offered at the time.
AV> FreeBSD was already out. Linux appeared in 1991 and became suitable for AV> Fidonet-related use since version 2.0 (approx. 1995).
That does not mean, that it was available for inclusion in MSdos.
AV> Also, there were gcc and glibc.
Aren't these published under the GPL can therefore not be included into closed source.?
KE>> Check the circumstances of the history first, before you make bold KE>> staments.
AV> You may repeat these words staying in front of a mirror.
I may not be completely accurate, but I am more aware of the context when this all happened.
KE>>>> The developers passed away or lost their interest in Fidonet and KE>>>> many did not release their source code or lost their source code KE>>>> due to unexpected circumstances. AV>>> That's good: we've got rid of ancient crippleware. KE>> No, it is still there and is not maintained.
AV> So there should be people still using it. They may do as they wish, but... AV> nothing will force _other_ people to keep backass combatability with their AV> abandonware.
It all depends what you intend to accomplish. Buld a new network, or stay in contact with the old.
KE>>>> When people lose their interest in Fidonet, they really do not KE>>>> care anymore, look in the nodelist, there are so many now KE>>>> disfunctional entries from people who apparently left Fidonet, KE>>>> otherwise they would have made sure their nodelist entries KE>>>> would present functional connection information. AV>>> So why are those people still listed? KE>> Because apparently they form the core of Fidonet.
AV> Really? :-)
Your viewing point is different from mine.
KE>> The progressive ones are found on facebook and whatever other Social KE>> Media is popular at the moment.
AV> They are out of Fidonet already.
Indeed.
KE>> If you force the conservative people out of Fidonet, the net will KE>> lose it's current already weak momentum and die.
AV> The practice of R2:50 (a half of today's nodelist) proves the opposite: AV> eliminating dead wood allows the network to grow and develop.
As I said, your viewing point is different from mine. I agree that at the moment R2:50 is the most thriving in the net. But there too, the rate of growth is slowing down, or is already negative.
For young new users I can imagine that there is a call for progress in a sortware that is over 25 years old.
Kees
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