= Сообщение: 4078 из 12549 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 12 Jul 16 14:05:04 Кому : Robert Bashe 12 Jul 16 14:05:04 Тема : Brexit FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:280/5555+5784df1f На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:2448/44+5784a5bc = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP850 ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:2448/44+578508cb ============================================================================== Hello Robert,
On Tuesday July 12 2016 10:03, you wrote to me:
MV>> I beg to differ. It the EU had wanted Greece to be out, it would MV>> be out. They'd have found a way.
RB> Not a legal one, at any rate. The treaties provide no way to legally RB> expel a member.
Legal is what those who have the power to get it done call legal. That is how things work in the big bad world. The 2001 Iraq invasion was illegal. But George Bush and Tony Blair did it anyway and declared it legal afterwards.
If the EU really wants to expell a country from the EU, that is what will happen. And the expellers will declare it legal.
RB> And to change the treaties, you need a UNANIMOUS vote of ALL the EU RB> members, i.e. forget it. Even Germany doesn't dominate the EU to such RB> an extent that it can afford to ignore the legal basis of the EU.
Get your head out of the cloud and your feet back on the ground.
MV>> The reason Greece is still in is that Greece wanted to stay in the MV>> EU and the EU wanted Greece to stay in.
RB> For more or less understandable reasons. Unfortunately, Greece is a RB> really extreme example, and probably won't ever be able to repay it's RB> debts.
Tough luck. Shit happens. Every family has black sheep and an ugly duckling that needs a helping hand now and then.
RB> It's already defaulted on a fair number of them - remember RB> 2012? That was the year government bonds lost their nimbus of RB> stability and reliability, and became no better than the paper of RB> well-managed (or defunct) companies.
I haven't forgotten that this is not a perfect world. But it is better than the world we had before the EU.
