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От   : Michiel van der Vlist            2:280/5555         16 Apr 17 15:44:03
Кому : Michael Dukelsky                                    16 Apr 17 15:44:03
Тема : EEC vs. EFTA
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Hello Michael,

On Friday April 14 2017 20:21, you wrote to me:

MV>> With 20/20 hindsight, that might have been a good idea, but at
MV>> the time it obviously was a couple of bridges too far. With the
MV>> cold war at its iciest...

MD> At the beginning of the new millenium the cold war was already in the
MD> past

In hindsight I wonder if the cold war ever gone. Maybe the monster was just asleep. It seems to be awake again... :(

MD> and Putin who became President wanted Russia to enter both EU and
MD> NATO.

If that is what he wanted, he kept it well hidden. The signal never arrived gere.

MD>  If both of them were about setting conflicts then one would
MD> think they would co-opt Russia.

Russia never qualified for EU membership. For starters, it still has not formally abolished the death penalty. Maybe something could have been worked out undet Jeltsin. But not with Putin.

I would like to see a better relationship between our countries. In the past Russia had good relations with The Netherland. A Russian princess once was married to a Dutch King. But that is the past.

Let us be happy that we can still have good relations in Fidonet.

MV>> It is not and never was part of the EU. But it once was part of
MV>> the Soviet Union...

MD> Of course, Ukraine is not part of the EU, but it is part of Europe.
MD> And I am sure there would be no war in Ukraine if Russia were in EU.

An interesting theory. Unfortunately not a good theory because it does not satisfy Popper's requirement of falsifiability. Lacking a time machine we can not go back and explore an alternate time line.

So we will never know. I might as well postulate that in that case the EU would have been part of Russia, not the other way around.


Cheers, Michiel

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