MV>> It is called developing insight. A change was needed to deal with MV>> the mistake of letting Greece in the Euro.
RB> Naturally without any change in the existing legal structure or RB> treaties.
When the ship is on imminent collision course with an iceberg, you don't take it to a vote, you order a change of course immidiately.
RB> The German population reacts accordingly - and presumably not only the RB> Germans.
RB> How many Dutch people are happy to finance the graft and corruption RB> that brought Greece to the present point? Not many, I would presume.
Few were happy about it, but most realised that it was unavoidable.
RB>>> The whole Eurozone is in a crisis with no end in sight.
MV>> Nonsense. There have been serious problems, but "crisis with no MV>> end in sight" is grosly overdone.
RB> Do you really believe that?
I see problems, but nothing like "crisis with no end in sight".
RB> Well, there are pessimists and optimists. You see the glass half full, RB> and I see it half empty.
Perhaps you should not have drunk half of that full glass...
RB>>> But except for the AfD, who do you vote for to change that?
MV>> Not. I feel no need.
RB> To vote at all? I can understand that. No real alternatives.
You may have missed it, but we had an election for parliament last month. I did vote. By "not", I meant I did not vote to change "that" as I see no "that". "Greece" was not an issue in this election and it was not on my list of criteria to make a choice.
RB>>> A "grand coalition" is certainly not the answer.
Then what is the answer according to you.
MV>> Belief is not fact.
RB> Indeed. That's why I'm so pessimistic.
You are more than a pessimist. You are a nagativist. You say no to everything but never say what has to be done to solve what you see as problems.
RB>>> Are you aware that both the Mini and Rolls-Royce (to name two car RB>>> manufacturers in the UK) belong to the German BMW company? And RB>>> what are they supposed to do
MV>> The car manufaturers are planning to move their assembly lines MV>> away from the UK. The Netherlands may benefit. We have a couple of MV>> car assmbly lines not rinnig full capacity right now.
RB> Like the DAF production line? <beg>
And some others. Believe it or not, we have some spare capacity for car manufacturers.
RB>>> Absolutely nothing - if you also throw out Sweden Denmark and RB>>> Greece, all of which get "special deals" with the EU.
MV>> Again: None of thsoe have threatened to leave if they did not get MV>> whatthey wanted.
RB> No, they just wouldn't have joined in the first place. But again, wait RB> and see.
But they /have/ joined. With no intention of leaving.
RB>>> There have been special deals for quite a numbver of countries, RB>>> not only the UK.
MV>> But the UK is the only one threatening to leave if they did not MV>> get what they wanted, and eventually execute that threat. THEY MV>> left, their choice. We are not going to kick out others for that.
RB> Only if they want the same kind of deal the UK got.
The UK did NOT get the deal that they wanted. That's why they left.
MV>> A divorce opens up old wounds. That is unavoidable. I already MV>> mentioned Gibraltar.
RB> Ancient history. Can you imagine Spain trying to invade Gibralter? I RB> can't.
Who knows. What is the UK going to do? Nuke Madrid?
A military invasion is not likely. But I can see scenarios where Gibraltar becomes part of the Brexit negotations. If there were some "encouregments" like Spain closing the border, it may not be all that unattractive for the UK to let go of Gibraltar.
