= Сообщение: 4067 из 12576 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555.1 14 Jul 16 13:01:08 Кому : David Rance 14 Jul 16 13:01:08 Тема : Brexit FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:280/5555.1+57877a24 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:203/2+57876d68 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP850 ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:203/2+57879a22 ============================================================================== Hello David,
On Thursday July 14 2016 12:46, you wrote to me:
DR> No, I know it's not the EU's fault. I was just saying that we have had DR> a big problem with immigration for a long time. We've even put a cap DR> on colonials entering the country (which was very unpopular). But DR> Brexit will not solve the problem even though the sounds bytes of the DR> campaign suggest that it might. There are lots of non-EU people trying DR> to get in to the UK but the thought that we could once more control DR> our borders by leaving the EU prompted the large Brexit vote.
Maybe you cab control your borders after Brexit. But price will be high because you can not just stop the unwanted influx of immigrants and let the rest pass unhinderded. Closing the borders for immigrants will also be the return of the trade barriers. Plus that it will be a two way barrier, not a diode. If EU citizens can not freely enter the UK and live and work there, then UK citizens won't be free to live and work in the EU either.
And ofcourse it will not stop the illegal immigrants trying to cross the channel as stowaways.
MvdV>> But... instead of going back, they let their families come to MvdV>> The Netherlands. And now they have taken over entire MvdV>> neighbourhoods. And they make problems.
MvdV>> We can only blame ourselves. We caused and we have to deal with MvdV>> it. What certainly won't solve the problem is leaving the EU.
DR> But the present would-be influx of immigrants is coming to the UK, not DR> The Netherlands.
I think you are misinformed. They are not hust coming to the UK. They are coming to all the "good" countries. Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands. Difference is that the UK is an island. You can not just walk from Calais to Dover. The ones in Dover are very visible. The ones crossing into Germany and The Netherlands are not visible at the border. But they are coming just the same. 60.000 lrefugees came to The Netherlands last year. We had to temporrary accomodate them in sport halls and tents. It is a really big rpoblem. And now that the Balkan route is more or less closed they come with boats from Libya to Italy. And then they move from there to Gremany and The netherland. And Sweden. Yes some try the UK and get stranded in Calais...
MvdV>> If the people of the UK think Brexit will stop the influx, it MvdV>> is a reason to proceed as quickly as possible....
DR> I don't think it was rational thought, because we know that it won't. DR> I think I've said this before, British elections (no doubt like yours) DR> very often are protest votes at whatever situation we find ourselves DR> in. 52% of the British Public thought that this was the thing to do in DR> voting for Brexit.
I understand how it works, we had the same thing with the Ukraine referendum. Referendums reduce a comples issue to a yes/no question. It is not a good way to make decisions.
DR> Anyway, Madam Prime Minister is taking all this very seriously by DR> appointing a Minister and a whole new department for Brexit. She is DR> getting on with it and I doubt that she will delay things any more DR> than necessary.
I was pleasantly surprised with the ministry for Brexit. Yes, she /does/ take it seriously.
DR> Like you, we are all puzzled by the appointment of Boris as Foreign DR> Secretary. I did tell you that we hadn't seen the last of him, and DR> this new appointment for him will place him well to succeed Theresa DR> May when the time comes.
It may be the old trick of bringing the opponont in, instead of keeping him out. From within, he can be controlled.
DR> Of course, our media (and, no doubt, yours) are now digging out all DR> the stupid things he's said over the last ten years or more that will DR> antagonise other nations. But that was his image; he played the DR> buffoon.
I haven't seen any of that yet. The media here always lag a bit behind in that. No doubt the weekend papers will have an extensive analyses.
DR> But don't let that hide the fact that he is a very clever DR> chap and we shall now see a more serious side to him. We've got DR> problems if we don't!
