= Сообщение: 595 из 7128 ======================================= FTSC_PUBLIC = От : Roy Witt 1:387/22 26 Nov 13 20:50:25 Кому : Alexey Vissarionov 26 Nov 13 20:50:25 Тема : Modern English FGHI : area://FTSC_PUBLIC?msgid=1:387/22+52955e18 На : area://FTSC_PUBLIC?msgid=2:5020/545+52945a45 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP437 ================================== ============================================================================== Brer Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Brer Roy Witt about Modern English:
AV>>>> The working language of this echoarea is English, MvdV>>> Yes. RW>> He got that right, but the rest of it is pure bullshit.
AV> I'm not an expert in a bullshit, so I'll take your word...
I can tell when someone is trying to 'pull the wool' over someone elses eyes.
MvdV>>> But that does not mean that only English names are allowed. RW>> English spelling is required in text used to communicate, but an RW>> exception is in order of spelling names
AV> English names != English spelling
I think so, with an emphasis on spelling names as best as one can under the circumstances of western code pages that still use old diareal letters and call them English characters.
AV> My name is Russian, but it's spelled using Latin characters according AV> to the rules of English language. I can (and normally do) spell it AV> using Cyrillic characters according to the rules of Russian (my AV> native) language: "ǽѬßÑ⌐ é¿ßßáα¿«¡«ó".
I understand that and also know that the Cyrillic characters don't appear as they would if they were written on a piece of paper.
MvdV>>> Of course we don't ask them to do that. Just as we do not ask you MvdV>>> to change your name to "Alex". RW>> Although Alex would be acceptable in English, as it represents a RW>> shortened version of your first name.
AV> Yes, and it may be confused with "Alexander". Both names have Greek AV> roots, but originally had different meaning.
I'm quite aware of that, but I used your name as an example of what one can do, if they desire. There once was a very famous Siciean immigrant to the US that called himself Al, but his real name was Alphonso Capone' (English spelling). I had a partner in business whose parents immigrated from Sicily also and they changed there last name from Fellioso to Fellis. Not that they wanted to, but because that was what the immigration authoritys did at the time and they had no awareness of it until it was being used on a regular basis.
RW>> Sometimes it is very awkward to use complete first names and so we RW>> shorten them for convenience in writing as well as speaking. Just as RW>> it is unusual to find a person who spells his name such as Michiel, RW>> when Michael is the English norm...and quite often Michael is RW>> shortened to Mike for the convenience of writing and speaking it.
AV> IIRC, MvdV once told that he (being a hamradio amateur) introduced AV> himself as "Mike" while making international QSOs - just to make his AV> name sounding more familiar for other people.
Yes, he probably got that from the NATO "phonetic alphabet" which uses "Mike" to indicate the letter "M" on phone radio contacts.
AV> However, that doesn't mean he was Mich_A_el at that time.
As I understand it, Michiel and Michael are not the same name.
RW>> An acute, grave or diaeresis may also be placed over an 'e' at the RW>> end of a word to indicate that it is not silent, as in saké.
AV> Distinguishing usefulness and Japanese alcohol beverage worth that... AV> :-)
That depends on the subject matter. If you're speaking of the Sake' beverage or tryinng to distinguish "sake" as in "for the sake of arguement" from each other.
8^)
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