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От   : Michiel van der Vlist            2:280/5555         14 Apr 14 14:14:12
Кому : Maurice Kinal                                       14 Apr 14 14:14:12
Тема : it's been a long time coming
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Hello Maurice,

On Monday April 14 2014 00:43, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> Yes, you got that right.

MK> Whoa!  Now there is something seldom seen in a reply to me.

You correctly noticed the presence of the byte order mark. Denial is fultile.

MK> However in this case I *knew* even before you slipped up with the BOM
MK> that you were doing some sort of cheat with golded.

Cheat? How so? Why is using notepad as external editor a cheat? And if it is, does not the same apply to using any other external editor, such as nano?

MvdV>> I use Micro$oft's NOTEPAD as external editor

MK> For shame!!!  Although it seems to work

It works for me.

MK> there is probably a better way

I would very much prefer to not have to use an external editor at all. I would very much prefer it if Golded's internal editor could do it. Alas, that is not he case (yet).

MK> to do the same without having to manually remove any unwanted leakage.

How so? What do you mean by "unwanted leakage"? That notepad inserts a BOM? What is the problem? A BOM can be useful as a signature to help autodetect UTF-8.

MK> Check out;

MK> http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.2/NT/nano-2.2.6.zip

I am familiar with the nano editor. It is part of the Open-WRT package that runs on my Linksys WRT54GL router. I can not say if it is better as external editor for Golded than notepad. I never tried to use it that way.

MK> I know at least one Fidonet sysop using that version, albiet on linux,
MK> with golded to accomplish the exact same thing you are doing.  The
MK> above is a win32 version and doesn't require compilation.  I saw some
MK> help on how to get it working on XP.  Not sure about other windows
MK> releases.  Anyhow I think that is a better option for getting golded
MK> to cooperate with utf-8.

So you have no idea if it actually works at all in a windows setup, but you nevertheless want me to abandon something that works for me, just because you THINK it is better? Hmmm...

MK>   If you decide to give it a go I'd appreciate hearing about it, good
MK> or bad.  I am sure there are other win32 sysops out there that might
MK> be highly interested in such a thing.  One thing for sure is that
MK> their current utf-8 strategy sucks BIG time.  ;-)

Sucks? Perhaps. I already mentioned that I would vey much prefer it when an external editor was not needed and Golded could do it all by itself.

That leads me to the following question: Why do you think this is something that needs to be discussed with the FTSC?

I suggest we move the thread about how to make Golded properly do UTF-8 to the Golded echo.


Cheers, Michiel

--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20110320
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