= Сообщение: 1336 из 7127 ====================================== FTSC_PUBLIC = От : Alexey Vissarionov 2:5020/545 15 Oct 14 11:02:20 Кому : Kees van Eeten 15 Oct 14 11:02:20 Тема : FTSC-5001 question FGHI : area://FTSC_PUBLIC?msgid=2:5020/545+543e24ac На : area://FTSC_PUBLIC?msgid=2:280/5003.4+543d58c8 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP866 ================================== ============================================================================== Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!
14 Oct 2014 18:42:02, you wrote to me:
AV>>>> When the pipe() system call was invented (1973), there were no PCs AV>>>> with their shitty DOS. KE>>> The pipe system requires a multitasking OS. DOS was single tasking KE>>> hence the intermediate files when using pipes. AV>> Have you ever heard of TSR? KE> Sure, but not as part of the OS.
Really? Wasn't the INT 0x27 instruction processed by ibmdos.com|msdos.sys? :-)
Well, that was a cooperative multitasking... but that was exactly it.
KE>>>>> The only concept of pipes in MSdos was the use of "|". It was KE>>>>> implemented by use of intermediate files. AV>>>> DOS is dead for over 10 years. KE>>> The fossil interface is at least 25 years old, and apparently the KE>>> software people like to use out of habit or whatever, is as old. AV>> Accessing serial ports as /dev/cua0 is much older. KE> You are referring to Unix, where everything is a file. At the time KE> Unix was not seen as what it is now. People were used to what IBM, KE> Digital, Data General and others offered at the time.
FreeBSD was already out. Linux appeared in 1991 and became suitable for Fidonet-related use since version 2.0 (approx. 1995).
Also, there were gcc and glibc.
KE> Check the circumstances of the history first, before you make bold KE> staments.
You may repeat these words staying in front of a mirror.
KE>>> The developers passed away or lost their interest in Fidonet and KE>>> many did not release their source code or lost their source code KE>>> due to unexpected circumstances. AV>> That's good: we've got rid of ancient crippleware. KE> No, it is still there and is not maintained.
So there should be people still using it. They may do as they wish, but... nothing will force _other_ people to keep backass combatability with their abandonware.
KE>>> When people lose their interest in Fidonet, they really do not KE>>> care anymore, look in the nodelist, there are so many now KE>>> disfunctional entries from people who apparently left Fidonet, KE>>> otherwise they would have made sure their nodelist entries KE>>> would present functional connection information. AV>> So why are those people still listed? KE> Because apparently they form the core of Fidonet.
Really? :-)
KE> The progressive ones are found on facebook and whatever other Social KE> Media is popular at the moment.
They are out of Fidonet already.
KE> If you force the conservative people out of Fidonet, the net will KE> lose it's current already weak momentum and die.
The practice of R2:50 (a half of today's nodelist) proves the opposite: eliminating dead wood allows the network to grow and develop.
-- Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii
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