= Сообщение: 1965 из 7440 ============================================= IPV6 = От : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 18 Jan 16 12:40:44 Кому : Björn Felten 18 Jan 16 12:40:44 Тема : ISPs and their stone age POV FGHI : area://IPV6?msgid=2:280/5555+569cdb3f На : area://IPV6?msgid=2:203/2+569c8ba4 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP850 ================================== ============================================================================== Hello Björn,
On Monday January 18 2016 07:52, you wrote to me:
MvdV>> Those will have to be replaced anyway to upgrade to VDSL and MvdV>> VDSL+ in order to keep up...
BF> That will never happen in Sweden TTBOMK. The VDSL train left our BF> station many years ago. The entire xDSL technology is a blast from the BF> past here.
Here DSL is still in full swing. KPN (the incumbant) claims I can have 75 Mbps via vectoring and pair bonded VDSL. Bringing two pairs to every home has been SOP since the early seventees, so pair bonding is available almost everywhere. I should add that in many case VDSL is more like fiber to the curb. The new DSLAMs are no more than 250 meters from the houses.
I guess the reason DSL is still economically feasable, is the high population density in The Netherlands.
MvdV>> Maybe the situation is different in Sweden, but here the ISPs MvdV>> have no plans to dig up the copper.
BF> Here they first spent ten years digging down the copper, and then BF> they replaced it with fibre -- albeit not yet everywhere... :(
How about coax? Here 90% of all the houses have a green coax cable entering the house. Originally designed for TV broadcast, but from ca 1995 onwards, the cable companies started to retrofit their systems with a return channel and they started offering telephony and internet. Today my cable supplier offers op to 250/25 Mbps. That high speed explains why the demand for FTTH isn't all that high at the moment.
MvdV>> There are several dsl providers here that offer native IPv6. MvdV>> Ask Wilfred. Ask Kees.
And so do the dsl providers in Germany. Ask Markus.
BF> Lucky them. I don't know of any such provider here in Sweden.
The problem with IPv6 is that there is no solid bussines case for it. There is no return on investment. The main reason ISPs have been dragging their feet for so long is that they got away with it because they "still had enough IPv4 addresses." Now that they are running out, they finally get moving with IPv6. My cable ISP now offers IPv6 to new customers via DSlite. IOW, they no longer get a public IPv4 address...
Maybe the ISPs in Sweden have not run out of IPv4 adresses yet...
