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От   : David Rance                      2:203/2            31 Mar 19 17:58:35
Кому : Michiel van der Vlist                               31 Mar 19 17:58:35
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On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:03:06 Michiel van der Vlist -> David Rance wrote:

MvdV> I am sure many people in the EU are just as frustrated about it as the
MvdV> people in the UK. The people in Brussels are losing their patience and
MvdV> the uncertainty is bad for bussines.

It's just as bad for us.

WD>>> Overhere the government would have resigned already.

DR>> Normally the British government would have resigned long ago but
DR>> anyone who succeeds Theresa May is doomed to suffer the same
DR>> consequences.

MvdV> Plus that a change of government is unlikely to solve the problem.
MvdV> Which basically is that a border can not be both visible and invisible.
MvdV> Choices will have to be made, one can not have the cake and eat it too.

Would that the choice were that simple. If we don't get the question of the Irish border right then we shall be back to the troubles and bombings that we had before the Good Friday Agreement. Already the situation is on a knife-edge.

DR>> That's why no-one is forcing a leadership contest or a general
DR>> election because whoever wins would have a very short political career
DR>> at the top and condemned to spend the rest of their life in obscurity.
DR>> Where is the man who got us into this fine mess now?

MvdV> One can blame Nigel Farrage, but in a democracy politicians do not have
MvdV> more power than the voters allow them to have. They could have said
MvdV> "no" to Farrage...

I didn't mean Nigel Farage. He is still active in one way or another. I was talking about David Cameron who promised to have that referendum in the first place without spelling out to us what advantages we would lose by not being in the EU. He assumed that the British would do what they usually do and vote for the status quo, just as they did when Harold Wilson called a referendum about staying in 1975. Yes, we voted to leave three years ago but it divided the country almost equally, giving the Leave vote only a slight majority. If the Leave group hadn't told us a lot of lies about how many billions of pounds we would save by coming out and giving that money to the National Health Service, Leave would not have won. Now that we know that to be a lie, if we were to have another referendum *now* I am convinced that there would be a sizeable majority in favour of remaining. And no-one had thought then about the problem of the Irish border - except the Irish. The English couldn't see past their own back doorstep. In fact, it *was* only the English that voted to leave. The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish all voted to remain.

I want to remain and always have.

DR>> resign at this point in time, one was Michael Gove. If Michael Gove
DR>> were to replace her, albeit temporarily, then that would be a piece of
DR>> Fidonet history. For the first time, an ex-Fido sysop would become a
DR>> prime minister!

MvdV> Could we entice him to return as an active node? :)

I don't think you would want him. He has a record of stabbing his friends in the back!

David

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David Rance    writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

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