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От   : David Rance                      2:203/2            19 Aug 19 13:12:58
Кому : David Rance                                         19 Aug 19 13:12:58
Тема : Brexit
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Having spent the morning sawing up a dead apple tree, I've thought of a few more elucidatory comments. Björn's gateway software may muddle the quotes up so please forgive me replying to myself!

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 08:52:50 David Rance -> Michiel van der Vlist wrote:

DR> On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:01:17 Michiel van der Vlist -> David Rance wrote:

MvdV>> On Sunday August 18 2019 14:58, you wrote to me:

DR>>> This smacks more of a dictatorship than a democracy.

MvdV>> Pardon my French, but this is baloney. The one calling for the
MvdV>> referendum was democratically elected. Nobody put a gun to the people's
MvdV>> head and told them to vote for "leave".

DR> I didn't say that it *was* a dictatorship, I said it was tending
DR> towards a dictatorship under the guise of democratic freedom.

Trying to fix the result of a referendum and succeeding is on the way to being a dictatorship. Dictators are often elected before they become
dictators.

MvdV>> Which raises the question: If the people of the UK really wanted a new
MvdV>> referendum why did they not act before it was too late? An oppotunity
MvdV>> would heva been when Theresa May called for an election.

The facts and lies became far more evident after the election so there was no call for a referendum at that point. Theresa May called the election because she thought, as the opinion polls suggested that the Conservatives were doing quite well,  that it would give her an increased majority to make things easier to push Brexit through parliament. In hindsight I think events would have been the same even with the old parliament.

DR>>> No! A two thirds majority should be to *change* the status quo!

MvdV>> [advocate of devil mode]

MvdV>> The status quo is that the UK has decided to leave. Has been the status
MvdV>> quo for over three years. Reversing that decision is changing the
MvdV>> status quo.

DR> The status quo is that, at the present moment, we *are* members of the
DR> EU and that's what we would be voting on.

It depends on what the referendum asks us to vote on. If the question is, "Should we overturn the result of the previous referendum" then that is the status quo. If a new referendum ask the same question as the last time then that presupposes the status quo is that we are at present members of the EU.

David (writing from France)

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