= Сообщение: 9331 из 12492 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : David Rance 2:203/2 02 Feb 20 16:54:23 Кому : Michiel van der Vlist 02 Feb 20 16:54:23 Тема : Brexit FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:203/2+5e36f0ac На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:280/5555+5e36a3cf = Кодировка сообщения определена как: ASCII ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:280/5555+5e3c6d5f ============================================================================== On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 11:26:22 Michiel van der Vlist -> David Rance wrote:
MvdV> On Sunday January 19 2020 17:29, you wrote to me:
MvdV> Sorry for the late respons. I had other priorities...
MvdV>>> Can you imagine? "OK mr Windsor, what experience do you have?" MvdV>>> I have twenty years of experience shaking hands with VIPs, I am MvdV>>> good at cutting ribbons and laying first stones."
MvdV> That of course was meant as a hyperbole... Sorry if I offended you.
Oh, I see! ;-)
DR>> That's how little you know of Harry's past! Don't forget that both DR>> Harry and William were RAF pilots.
DR>> Having a son-in-law who is an airline pilot and who was trained to fly DR>> in the RAF, I know that Harry's experience would be of great value in DR>> the commercial world. And it pays extremely well!
MvdV> If your son in law is an airline pilot than you should also know that MvdV> it only pays well if one can show logs with hundreds if not thousands MvdV> of flying hours. Maybe it is different in the UK, but here wannabee MvdV> pilots have to pay for their own training. And it can't be done in MvdV> three month. They actually have to pay the airline to make hours in the MvdV> co-pilot seat. Before they actually get to earn a salary they are in MvdV> debt by several 100K.
If you're lucky enough to have been trained by the RAF then all training is free. There are extra courses, of course, for getting experience with the aircraft that any particular airline uses but that doesn't run into thousands of pounds. In fact, Sean himself trains new pilots and has done for years.
MvdV> But not our king. Normal people don't get parachuted from the cockpit MvdV> of a Cessna into the left front seat of an Airbus or Boeing. But our MvdV> king is licenced to fly the PH-GOV. A Boeing 737 BBJ.
MvdV> These people are offered short cuts not available to ordinary mortals MvdV> like you and me...
Maybe that's true in the Netherlands. It certainly isn't true here. Promotion from a Cessna to a Boeing? Nah! That's just for the media!
MvdV> The Brexit is a fact. I watched the countdown as projected on Downing MvdV> street 10.
MvdV> Other than that the UK members of the EU parliament have returned home, MvdV> nothing much seems ro happen in the near future, The ferries are still MvdV> running and you can still travel from the UK to France without much MvdV> ado. I wonder if that will still be the case in 2021. I read that MvdV> Johnson has announced he will not accept a trade deal in which EU MvdV> judges have the last word in case of a conflict. I doubt the EU will MvdV> accept a deal where UK judhes have the last word, so the first hurdle MvdV> is already there.
Emmanuel Macron wrote a lovely open letter to the British people. In it he emphasised that we are still friends and neighbours and that he still has a great deal of respect for the UK and for what we did to help France in WWII. But he also says that neither he, nor the other EU leaders, will agree to any future deal that would jeopardise the future of the EU economy. And all Boris is saying is that he won't agree to anything that would jeopardise the future UK economy.
So what's wrong with that? The bargaining will be hard. Neither side will get all they want. Probably won't get much of what they want, if I'm honest. But at least the UK is now in a position to do trade deals elsewhere in the world. However, I hope to goodness that Boris doesn't sign an agreement with Trump because Trump is a bully and I am sure that we would not get a very good deal from him, however much he dresses it up. I'm pretty sure Boris is aware of that - for instance, he didn't give in to Trump wanting us to shun a deal with Huawei helping set up our 5G network!
MvdV> It will be interesting to watch...
It will - but it'll also be somewhat predictable!
There's something similar happening with Harry and Meghan. Although the situation is totally different, it has this in common: Harry and Meghan have had irreconcilable differences with the Royal Family (prompted by their treatment by the media), and so they have retired from the "Firm" (as it is known in royal circles here). This doesn't mean they are no longer related to the rest of the royal family or that they are no longer loved or respected. It's the same with us and Europe, and for that reason I don't expect that I shall have any bother with my friends and acquaintances in France and Germany, nor with any of you here on this echo.
I'm pleased to note that certain EU leaders, including Emmanuel Macron and Ursula von der Leyen, are now saying that they must look at how it came to pass that the UK felt that they could no longer continue as part of the EU. The same is being said by politicians of all parties in the UK that we must do the same. This is the greatest step forward in my opinion because, underneath it all, we all wanted the EU to work and to be willing to look at what went wrong.
This is in stark contrast to what you, Michiel, have been saying. I quote you: "the UK have never been more than half hearted members"; "if they want to go, let them go". You believe that the EU is some kind of monolith which cannot be altered, or some kind of club which has rules which have to be obeyed without question. Such inflexibility makes the failure of such institutions inevitable, from the smallest golf club to the largest empire. And you cannot tell me that there aren't other EU member states who are wondering if they could do the same as us. The response of some EU leaders is to try to tighten the grip on membership, but don't they realise that this will not work?
David
-- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
