= Сообщение: 8943 из 12459 ====================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 13 Sep 19 23:42:54 Кому : David Rance 13 Sep 19 23:42:54 Тема : Brexit FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:280/5555+5d7c17c2 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:203/2+5d79289c = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP850 ================================== Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:203/2+5d7cadbe ============================================================================== Hello David,
On Wednesday September 11 2019 19:02, you wrote to me:
MvdV>> My expectation is that it will be interesting to watch how his MvdV>> successor will be selected...
DR> It is traditional that alternately a member of the two largest parties DR> is chosen. As Bercow is a conservative the next Speaker will be from DR> the Labour ranks.
That assumes after the next election Labour will still be one of the two largest parties. That may not be the case...
Other than that: In times of turmoil, tradtions can be broken.
DR>>> But the news this morning is that the Scottish Supreme Court has DR>>> ruled that the prorogation of Parliament was illegal on the DR>>> basis that Boris called it for his own selfish reasons.
MvdV>> I am puzzled. My intuition says that a Scottish court has MvdV>> jurisdiction in Scotland. Not in the rest of the UK. Am I wong?
DR> No, you're not wrong. But the ruling of the Scottish Supreme Court is DR> a precedent. When it comes to be discussed in the UK Supreme Court, DR> the precedent of the Scottish Court will probably be taken into DR> account. This is how the legal system in the UK works.
I am still confused. So the Scottish Supreme court set a precedent by ruling on an issue outside their jurisdiction? I'd say that would make such a ruling null and void...
DR> The Scottish Court were brought into this because someone in Scotland DR> asked them to give a judgement on it.
But unlike the court that was asked to rule on it before, they did not declare themselves out of order?
MvdV>> What if a Scottish court says "yes" and an English Court says MvdV>> "no" om the same issue? Scottish law vs English law?
DR> The UK court's ruling will have the force of law.
I was referring to the "English Supreme Court". But now I understand there is no such thing.
DR>>> Next week the UK Supreme Court will also consider the subject. DR>>> Never a dull moment.
MvdV>> Is that the equivalent of a US Federal Court?
DR> I suppose so, although Scotland has a supreme Court because of DR> devolution. England doesn't have one.
What about Wales and Northern Ireland?
DR>>> Also the Labour Party cannot decide whether to have another DR>>> referendum before or after the next election!
MvdV>> If they can not choose, someone else will make the choice for MvdV>> them...
DR> No, someone else won't. If the Labour Party win the next General DR> Election the leader (who will then be prime minister) will decide.
If Labour wins the next election, the Leader can no longer decide to hold a referendum /before/ the election. /That/ decision will already have been made. Time machines do not exist.
DR>>> Oh, and if the Liberal Democrats win the next election they've DR>>> just said that they will cancel Brexit - assuming it hasn't DR>>> taken place, of course!
If they do not specify the minimum conditions under which they want to stay in the EU, they make the same mistake as the Brexiteers when they made the people vote just "remain" or "leave" without specifying the conditions and the consequences.
One can not assume that the UK and the EU can just kiss and make up and go on as if nothing has happened. The EU will have some demands...
MvdV>> The LibDems are a small party. The chance that they get a MvdV>> majority is small is it?
DR> No, they're not a small party in the country. They run a number of DR> local councils. They have a small number of MPs at the moment simply DR> because of our first-past-the-post system of voting
Ah, yes that odd system...
DR> but they field a candidate for pretty well every constituency in the DR> country. And more recently they have been coming second in election DR> results rather than third or fourth. If the public are fed up enough DR> with the Conservatives and Labour and vote for the Lib Dems it's not DR> inconceivable that they might have enough MPs to form a government. DR> Not likely, I agree, but these are strange times and I've never known DR> such dissatisfaction with the two main parties. After all, look at the DR> support the Brexit party has been getting.
You mean in that election for EU parliament? Indeed, it would seem that the anti-EU sentiments are still pretty strong among a significant fraction of the UK people despite the fact that they by now they must realise they have been leid to about the benefits of leaving. I would not be all that surprised is a new referendum would result in a "leave"...
DR>>> scriptwriters?
MvdV>> That was a long time go. Since then a lot of water has flowed MvdV>> through the Thames, the Tay, the Severn and the Foyle...
DR> The Severn is not a Welsh river. It runs for a little of its length DR> along the border between Wales and England but it is an English river DR> (and actually the longest river in the UK!). If you want an example of DR> a Welsh river, try the Towy or the Usk