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От   : Michiel van der Vlist            2:280/5555         15 Feb 21 00:16:38
Кому : Alexey Vissarionov                                  15 Feb 21 00:16:38
Тема : Ping
FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:280/5555+6029b25e
На   : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:5020/545+60297347
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Ответ: area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:460/5858+602f3a9e
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Hello Alexey,

On Sunday February 14 2021 22:00, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> 1) I am not a lemming, I do not just follow for the sake of
MvdV>> following. Not even the "two steps before becoming the
MvdV>> reference implementation".

AV> The author of PoC had some really good reasons to do that, n'est pas?

I don't know who the author of PoC is and so I do not know his|her reasons. Nor do I know if these reasons are good or bad...

MvdV>> 2) It violates my principle of "pass 'as is', unless there is a
MvdV>> clear technical reason for not doing so".

AV> Reply != pass

Semantics.

MvdV>> So far I have seen no clear technical reason for invalidating
MvdV>> tear lines and origin lines in a PING respons. Origin lines do
MvdV>> not belong in netmail anyway, so that would be a case of GiGo.
MvdV>> So.. can you give me a clear technical reason? "PoC does it",
MvdV>> is not a valid clear technical reason.

AV> The robot does pass all original messages "as is". But when it
AV> generates _new_ _message_ with the reply, it _must_ (as in FTA-1006)
AV> make sure nothing would affect further processing of that message.

What "further processing" is there to be done on a reply from a PING robot? It is meant to be read by a human and that is it.

AV> Quoting the original message back (as in FSC-0032) could be a good
AV> solution. However, the FSC-0032 explicitly states: "Kludge lines,
AV> including tear lines and origins lines are not normally quoted, but
AV> when they are - they must never be quoted exactly - this definitely
AV> causes problems with other software!"

1) What "other software"? PING replys are meant to be read by a human.
2) FSCs are proposals that for one reason or another never made it into a standard. So they are not binding or authoritive in any way.
3) FSC-0032 is about echomail, PING is about netmail.

I still see no clear technical reason why PING robots should invalidate tear lines or origin lines.


Cheers, Michiel

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