= Сообщение: 11812 из 12490 ===================================== ENET.SYSOP = От : Andrew Kolchoogin 2:5020/290 25 Jul 22 12:05:50 Кому : Ward Dossche 25 Jul 22 12:05:50 Тема : The cruiser "Moskva" FGHI : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:5020/290@Fidonet+62de63e3 На : area://ENET.SYSOP?msgid=2:292/854+1026354b = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP866 ================================== ============================================================================== Hello Ward!
22 Jul 22 11:49, you wrote to me:
AK>> WD> it's not even a war if you believe the Russian propaganda. AK>> Unfortunately, it's not a war even if you don't believe. WD> A rose, by any other name, still is a rose. Any practicing lawyer will just laugh hearing this. :)
WD> With at least 15.000 Russian military killed and at least double that WD> with arms or legs missing or having a falsetto voice because their WD> testicles were shot off ... when does it become a war? That's not WD> counting the thousands of victims on the Ukrainian side, both military WD> and civilian...the latter makes it a war crime ... naturally, if you WD> keep chanting there's no war then it isn't a war-crime either ... WD> right? You can name the things the way you want to, but don't be surprised finding yourself on a counter-consensus side. O.k, you can argue that UN, NATO and all others just are testicless to name the invasion of Russia to Ukraine as a war, but I bet the things are much more complicated.
WD> If there is something as "international law", then one must live up to WD> it ... Russia under the present administration will never do that (nor WD> will China nor the USA nor North-Korea just so you know you're in good WD> company). Russians have a nice byword: "All the division doesn't keep pace while camrade ensign does".
WD> Ukraine is a peaceful state and by invading it and starting a war WD> against it the opposite is being achieved of what was intended. WD> Ukraine is now driven into the arms of the EU and NATO, EU they would WD> have achieved anyway in the long run but NATO doubtful. Yes, and I hope that you are right -- but in my understanding there is a very high probability that US and EU much more interested in weakening *both* Russia and Ukraine rather than stop the invasion quick and obvious way just giving Ukraine enough ammo. I don't believe in good faith, sorry.
WD> Plus Finland and Sweden will now also join NATO, without that war WD> they'd remain neutral. It has little sense in XXI century while any war is considered unlawful.
WD> My late father fought against (and killed) real-life Nazis. Claiming WD> someone is a Nazi is a powerful accusation, for that one must WD> understand the term "Nazi", it's not because Putin used the word that WD> the intimidated uneducated masses have to accept it. When someone WD> claims something as a fact without proof, then doubting it is a prime WD> concern. Russian TV is shizophrenic. Let's don't waste the time discussing what was spoken on it.
AK>> But Europe wants to live in warm houses, Germany wants to continue AK>> running their chemical industry, and so on. WD> There's a German expression for that "Wir schaffen es". Ja, Ubung macht den Meister. :)
WD> There's gas coming from Norway, the Northsea fields, northern Africa, WD> the USA. Even the Netherlands have their own fields. There're many things that are practically doable, for example, space flights. But nearly all of them require time and money.
WD> Nuclear stations which were slated to close in 2025 will now stay WD> functional for another 10 years at least with newones being discussed. In my opinion, this is the only good thing Russian invasion has done for Europe.
WD> Putin and his gang have grossly underestimated the European resilience WD> and the plan to capture Kyiv in 3 days ... well, it's day 155 now. If WD> Russia indeed is such a fighting force as the population is made to WD> believe Ukraine should have been crushed like 152 days ago. That's true and false simultaneously: I think that bunker sitter had no estimates because he sees himself "higher than such a trifle to do any estimates".
WD> Keep paroting the propaganda, Andrew ... I know and understand you WD> have to play this line otherwise heavy fines ansd/or imprisonment. No comments. :)))
Andrew
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