= Сообщение: 1994 из 2393 ================================ RU.FIDONET.DIGEST = От : Vladimir Fyodorov 2:6035/3.1 18 Mar 22 14:31:41 Кому : All 18 Mar 22 14:31:41 Тема : FIDONEWS: История самого первого краудфандинга FGHI : area://RU.FIDONET.DIGEST?msgid=2:6035/3.1+62346d9e = Кодировка сообщения определена как: CP866 ================================== ==============================================================================
> Вард Дошше рассказал подробности давней истории с несколькими > экскоммуникациями и восстановленями в нодлисте сисопа по имени Helmut > Hullen, судом, "народным финансированием" (aka краудфандинг) издержек > Варда на адвоката и возвратом собранных средств. > По ссылке https://tinyurl.com/mr39ydtm > можно увидеть гуглоперевод материала (к сожалению, очень корявый).
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----------------------------------------------------------------- The story of the very first Krautfunding Ward Dossche -- 2:292/854
Krautfunding these days seems to be very normal but it has escaped many people how it all started and how influential Fidonet in it has been ...
It was in 2000 sometime when a German sysop by the name of Helmut Hullen was excommunicated by his NC, re-listed by his RC24, again excommunicated by the next RC24, before he was finally removed the Z2C. In the process of this both RC24 and ZC2 were threatened with lawsuits if Helmut wasn't re-listed.
RC24 gave in but Z2C didn't crumble and Helmut Hullen took him to court, in Belgium. Helmut Hullen hired the services of one of the most famous criminal attorneys (Sven Mary), how he could afford that for such a silly thing is a mistery to me. To make a long story short, after a year and a half of proceedings and 4 sessions he lost the case, had to pay his lawyer, had to pay a law firm in Germany and had to pay the cost of the procedure.
My costs, as I was that ZC, were the fees of the lawyer. Pretty big amount for a mere hobby of an insignificant network.
So here's this incredible sysop by the name of Udo Zaydowicz who left the network in the meantime, coming up with the idea to start a collection in R24 because the Z2C was not taken to court for some private dispute. He was taken to court for a FidoNet matter based upon Policy 4.07 and was representing FidoNet in court (not my words).
Michiel van der Vlist, who started a collection in R28, wrote in ENET.SYSOP: "Well I guess all of FidoNet has won. So co[n]gratulations to us all."
The costs were slightly more than 1000 Euro and 30 nodes/points in R24 plus the R28-contribution pledged more than 1500 Euro. Udo managed the R24-portion by generally requesting about 2/3 of the pledged amounts and upon delivery of the final invoice, that was transferred to the Z2C. I don't remember anymore how the R28-portion was handled.
There is an aftermath to this story ...
Helmut Hullen remained out of the nodelist but some years later he approached the Z2C to be relisted. After consulting with the then RC24 he was told that could happen but only if he refunded the money my lawyer charged me ... To my surprise he did ... And a word is a word ... Helmut became back a node after spending some months in purgatory (i.e. as a zone-independent node 2:2/530 under my immediate view) to see if after 5 years of absence things would remain calm.
They did and Helmut Hullen became listed as 2:2480/530 and later as 2:2437/530. He passed away Sept.19th 2016 and his obituary in Fidonews was written by ... me ...
The money which he refunded to me ... I contacted all donors and asked them what they wanted me to do ... there were a lot of small amounts that really didn't make sense in view of the international money-transfer rates in 2005. So I asked if it would be OK to make a donation to a worthy cause. Some wanted the money back and were refunded, some not plus there were people that had left my line of sight in the meantime ... for the last 2 cases whatever money was left was donated to "Doctors Without Borders" and proof of the donation was sent to the people concerned. Not a remark was received.
Hence ends the story of Helmut Hullen and the first Krautfunding in history.
