= Сообщение: 37 из 1367 ============================================== UTF-8 = От : Michiel van der Vlist 2:280/5555 28 Apr 14 18:19:20 Кому : Maurice Kinal 28 Apr 14 18:19:20 Тема : your external editor test of utf-8 FGHI : area://UTF-8?msgid=2:280/5555+535e7f8b На : area://UTF-8?msgid=1:153/7001.0+535d37b8 = Кодировка сообщения определена как: UTF-8 ================================== ============================================================================== Hello Maurice,
On Sunday April 27 2014 17:00, you wrote to me:
MvdV>> LATIN-1 /IS/ supported by the software of those that use that encoding.
MK> According to the REAL encoding (ISO-8859-1) LATIN1 is the accepted alias.
I don't care about your so called "REAL encoding". We are in Fidonet and in
MK> They don't mention LATIN-1
I don't care about "They". We are in Fidonet and in Fidonet, the accepted
MK> nor do the charmaps I deploy here as well as most of the servers on the MK> internet.
I don't care about your charmaps or "most of the servers on the internt". We
MK> Where your software got that encoding is highly questionable given the MK> reality of the situation.
The reality of the situation is that we are in Fidonet And...in Fidonet, the accepted identifier is LATIN-1
MvdV>> The character set that you refer to as ISO-8859-1 is in widespread use
MK> For sure. Also the accepted alias for it is indeed LATIN1 and *NOT* MK> LATIN-1.
We are in Fidonet and in Fidonet, the accepted identifier is LATIN-1.
MvdV>> ISO-646 /has/ been used in Fidonet messages.
MK> Excellent. Here is what I've been able to decipher about fts-5003 and MK> it's reported aliasing of the ISO 646 codes; [..]
MK> I was unable to find ANY credible references to DUTCH and SWISS.
Then you have not looked hard enough. Here is my translation table from DUTCH
=== Cut === ; ; This file is a charset conversion module in text form. ; ; This module converts the Dutch ISO 646 NL character set to Codepage 850. ; You can use it as a basis for a level 1 converter. ; ; Format: ID, version, level, ; from charset, to charset, ; 128 entries: first & second byte ; "END" ; Lines beginning with a ";" or a ";" after the entries are comments ; ; Unknown characters are mapped to the "?" character. ; ; cedilla = , ; dieresis = .. ; acute = ' ; grave = ` ; circumflex = ^ ; ring = o ; tilde = ~ ; caron = v ; All of these are above the character, apart from the cedilla which is below. ; ; \ is the escape character: \0 means decimal zero, ; \dnnn where nnn is a decimal number is the ordinal value of the character ; \xnn where nn is a hexadecimal number ; e.g.: \x32 is the ASCII space character ; Two \\ is the character "\" itself. ; 0 ; ID number 0 ; version number ; 1 ; level number ; DUTCH ; from set CP850 ; to set ; \0 \0 ; NUL \0 \x1 ; SOH \0 \x2 ; STX \0 \x3 ; ETX \0 \x4 ; EOT \0 \x5 ; ENQ \0 \x6 ; ACK \0 \x7 ; BEL \0 \x8 ; BS \0 \x9 ; HT \0 \xA ; LF \0 \xB ; VT \0 \xC ; FF \0 \xD ; CR \0 \xE ; SO \0 \xF ; SI \0 \x10 ; DLE \0 \x11 ; DC1 \0 \x12 ; DC2 \0 \x13 ; DC3 \0 \x14 ; DC4 \0 \x15 ; NAK \0 \x16 ; SYN \0 \x17 ; ETB \0 \x18 ; CAN \0 \x19 ; EM \0 \x1a ; SUB \0 \x1b ; ESC \0 \x1c ; FS \0 \x1d ; GS \0 \x1e ; RS \0 \x1f ; US \0 \x20 ; space \0 ! ; exclaim \0 " ; double quotes \0 £ ; # -> pound sterling sign \0 $ ; dollar \0 % ; percent \0 & ; ampersand \0 ' ; quote right \0 ( ; parenthesis left \0 ) ; parenthesis right \0 * ; asterisk \0 + ; plus \0 , ; comma \0 - ; minus \0 . ; period \0 / ; slash \0 0 ; zero \0 1 ; one \0 2 ; two \0 3 ; three \0 4 ; four \0 5 ; five \0 6 ; six \0 7 ; seven \0 8 ; eight \0 9 ; nine \0 : ; colon \0 \d59 ; semicolon \0 < ; less than \0 = ; equals \0 > ; greater than \0 ? ; question \0 ¾ ; @ -> Vulgar fraction 3/4 \0 A ; \0 B ; \0 C ; \0 D ; \0 E ; \0 F ; \0 G ; \0 H ; \0 I ; \0 J ; \0 K ; \0 L ; \0 M ; \0 N ; \0 O ; \0 P ; \0 Q ; \0 R ; \0 S ; \0 T ; \0 U ; \0 V ; \0 W ; \0 X ; \0 Y ; \0 Z ; i j ; bracket left -> ij \0 ½ ; backslash -> vulgar fraction 1/2 \0 | ; bracket right -> Vertikal line \0 ^ ; circum \0 _ ; underscore \0 ` ; quote left \0 a ; \0 b ; \0 c ; \0 d ; \0 e ; \0 f ; \0 g ; \0 h ; \0 i ; \0 j ; \0 k ; \0 l ; \0 m ; \0 n ; \0 o ; \0 p ; \0 q ; \0 r ; \0 s ; \0 t ; \0 u ; \0 v ; \0 w ; \0 x ; \0 y ; \0 z ; \0 ¨ ; brace left -> dieresis \0 ƒ ; bar -> guilders sign \0 ¼ ; brace right -> vulgar fraction 1/4 \0 ' ; tilde -> accute accent \0 \x7F ; DEL END === Cut ===
Note the special Dutch character ij (Dutch Guilder sign) at position 124.
Another one is the ij (Latin small ligature ij) at position 91. In the Dutch
MvdV>> Your ZC uses CHRS: LATIN-1 1
MK> Nope. Last time I noticed it was "CHARSET: LATIN-1".
So the identifier used is LATIN-1.
MvdV>> It /is/ current practise wether you like that or not.
MK> No it isn't. The majority is still using buggy abandonware that isn't MK> even aware of CHARSET nevermind CHRS.
Wrong. The majority of messages written in Fidonet is written in Cyrillics. The readers/writers of those messages use software that uses the CHRS kludge.
