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От   : Michiel van der Vlist            2:280/5555         13 Sep 16 00:30:16
Кому : Tommi Koivula                                       13 Sep 16 00:30:16
Тема : Testing putty over SSH..
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Hello Tommi,

On Sunday September 11 2016 18:50, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> How does the Dutch concatenated "ij" in my origin look at your
MvdV>> end?

MvdV>> Cheers, Michiel

MvdV>>  * Origin: Blijf Tønijn (2:280/5555)

TK> It looks ok in Thunderbird, but not in Golded.

Makes sense. Golded uses an 8 bit character set internally. There is no 8 bit character set that includedes the concatenated ij (ij). So no way to disply it in Golded.

It is a bit of a pet project of me. In The Dutch alfabet the ij is the 25th letter of the alfabet, taking the place of the y which is a foreign character. On old Dutch typewriters the ij had its own key. One key, so one letter. On imported typewriters there was no IJ but the Y instead. So to type an ij, the combination IJ was used. The concataned ij disappered in the computer age. No ij on any computer keyboard. And not in any of the code pages and the ISO caharacter sets.

But low and behold, it re-appeared in unicode as code point U+0133 for lower case and U+0132 for upper case. Oddly enough its use is not recommended. Recommended is the use of the digraph ij. But.. I am hard headed. I advocate using it anyway. I had to do some effort to be able to type it. I wrote a Fidonews article how to enter characters by using the hexadecimel code point.

So... Thunderbird displays it correctly. It seems most unicode capable applications do. At least under Windows.


Cheers, Michiel

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* Origin: Blijf Tønijn (2:280/5555)

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